He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. Colin is the man for Brodies but I think he might struggle with this one too. You can post now and register later. When separated from the liner, the steel cap could be used for many different things. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. The Brodie helmet was designed by John Leopold Brodie, a Lithuanian entrepreneur and inventor who had first made his fortune working the gold and diamond mines of South Africa in the 1890s and 1900s and had then moved to Britain. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. Vimyridge23 April , 2010 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. WW2 ARP & Civil Defence Helmets & Markings dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. The constant handling a helmet would receive in the field would compress the saw dust finish. WW1 Brodie Helmet - Fallout 4 Mod Requests - The Nexus Forums and Gen. Hos. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. (hums softly, to the tune of Guantanamera:). Brodie helmet | Military Wiki | Fandom The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' In August 1915 he acquired a patent for a steel helmet design of his own, one which could be produced from a single sheet of steel pressed into the first basic Brodie helmet. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. Brodie Helmet / Helmet, steel, Mark I (World War I) - YouTube The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. I guess my difficulty is that discussions about brodies are quite detailed and assume prior knowledge. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' The M1 offered exceptional protection. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. The helmets from both countries are so similar that often times people believe that the Spanish helmet is a German helmet. There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. Tell me what I have, Brodie Helmet identification request. Artillery cartridge case of German origin, used during WW1. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". Follow on Instagram, The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference, M42 winter camo. The M1 was only finally replaced as the standard issue military helmet for the United States armed forces in 1983, over forty years after it first entered mass production. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' Steel Helmet, Brodie "War Office" pattern: British Army That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. Remembered Today: Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. WW1 Brodie British Helmet Original C. 1916 455.00 Click & Collect 12.00 postage or Best Offer 26 watching WW1 US AEF 30th Division Patch Painted Brodie Helmet 190.63 29.65 postage 10 watching Original USA American WW1 M-1917 Brodie Helmet with Original Sand Finish w Liner 317.72 63.54 postage or Best Offer The helmet is an American M1917 made for the American Expeditionary Force, but very few made it to, The stamp mark on the helmet looks like ZC 3 which is thought to belong to the Edward. First questions and then the story. on the American helmets they look very crudely overlapped. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. Is it a WWI or WWII helmet? I believe they were numbered 1-24. Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. I'm reading about them constantly and have never seen a comparison or "Idiot's Guide". crewnail 2 years ago. Reproduction WW2 British Army Brodie Helmet with Chinstrap - Tommy The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, "I pressed forward with the others to watch the United States physically entering the War, so god-like, so magnificent, so splendidly unimpaired in comparison with the tired nerve-racked men of the British Army. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. It was replaced by the M1917AI. All orders are shipped the same day from within the USA. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. The American manufactures used an entirely different method to apply the paint to the helmets. H.M.S. Category:Brodie helmets - Wikimedia Commons NPH Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . M1 fixed bail, 34th ID "Red Bull" w/ Mickey Mouse Camo. Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. View detail. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. Accordingly many countries have used the M1 themselves until recently, while a small number of countries continue to use this Second World War helmet in their armed forces. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. Very Solid condition. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. Tom.Delahoyde "Orbita." Thanks Leon21. The helmet shell is indeed a M1* with an early made Vero liner. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. Paste as plain text instead, 100% refund policy on all items returned within 30 days. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' BlackWatch 5 years ago. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. The colour is fine looks to be the factory green finish, you can buy second hand original liners on line as long as it is for the MkII helmet. never received helmet covers while in France. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' G. Budd, Manufacturing Co. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. I'm putting in a picture. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production, up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. and 34th Coy. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. The American bail is made from 12 gauge iron wire. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 British Army MkII Brodie Helmet MkI Liner - 1939, MKII Chinstrap at the best online prices at eBay! 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. As a result, when the spectre of another war breaking out in Europe raised its head in the mid-1930s the US military were still arming infantrymen with the M1917. British Mk II "Tommy" helmet question - Clothing/uniforms - HMVF The insignia is for the US 77th Division. After the introduction of the M1 helmet surplus M1917A1. and 34th Coy. Related Weapons & Armor. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. Though we never call it that. During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . 4th Bn. This helmet, designated "Brodie's Steel Helmet, War Office Pattern" began fielding in October 1915 and gave the name of its inventor to an entire line of stamped steel helmets used by a large number of countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States (which adopted it as the M1917). var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. Powered by Invision Community, Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. Brodie Helmets - Gentleman's Military Interest Club dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. The helmet has been varnished. Canadian Railway Troops who died 18/12/1918 BUSIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France GWF is free to use so please support the Forum Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks By Vimyridge dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' I'm putting in a picture. This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. During the State Opening of Parliament in 1942 they formed a guard of honour for the King in the Royal Gallery and in that same year were inspected by Churchill. Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. Not sure why there's a hole in the rim. First questions and then the story. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? I am trying to work out what the markings are/ what they mean. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. lol. The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. what I can tell you is that, it appears to be from the WW2 period with the cropped helmet lugs, the markings I've not seen. Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. FOR SALE! It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. if (month<10) month="0"+month 5th Bde. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. inspection stamp mark I've seen them before on liners. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. var mydate=new Date() SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. This is due to the split rivet shearing away from strain and the near constant moister of the Western Front. Good to see that copper rivetswere used. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. 354.85 Buy It Now. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. Helmet Gallery - Alexander and Sons German Helmet Restoration var daym=mydate.getDate() Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. I found a brodie helmet at an antique shop, its been painted black (going over several peace signs in black sharpie). dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
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