The option for a MAG chamber lets you load published .357 MAXimum loads in the MAGnum case: Henry wisely chose the old, original closed breech barrel chamber with a very short forcing cone, as opposed to the current overly long forcing cone chamber that is essentially the same as a "shot out" barrel used by nearly all other manfacturers. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post If the .35 Rem is legal where you're at, and you're wanting to build a bolt-action, I would probably go that route, as brass and ammo is much easier found than .357 Maximum brass and load data. Show Only Non-Guns. Gun Genius. Remington manufactured this impressive cartridge, and still produces new brass for handloaders on occasion. Oranges should be squeezed into juice. I still have a safe full of ARs, but thinking this Marlin is going to be seeing a lot more range time than they will. So it partly the pandemic, and partly the Presidential election, and then the riots in major cities across the USA. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. That and you cant find 357 magnum ammunition anywhere. Both have threaded barrels to make them more relative and modern. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. I wish I had known Hornady was going to discontinue them, I would have stocked up on them. The revolvers that were built in this caliber are rare, and consistently go for a premium over other Ruger Blackhawks. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. Maximum Expansion HP 157 38spl 38 1150fps, Traditions Outfitter G3 Single Shot .357 Magnum 22" Black / Silver CR571130, Rossi R92 Carbine .357 Magnum 20" Gold Barrel Bands 923572013-GLD, Benjamin Bulldog, Ben Bpbd3s Bulldog 357 Syn, Uberti 1873 Trapper Carbine Rifle .357 Magnum 16.125" Walnut 342435, Uberti 1873 Special Sporting Rifle .357 Magnum 24.25" Octagon Walnut 342760, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" 10 Rds Walnut 920.129, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Trapper Carbine .357 Mag 16" 8 Rds 920.335, Cimarron 1892 Carbine 20" Octagon CCH .357MAG 10+1 AS622 EZ PAY $126, Taylor Uberti 1873 Trapper .357MAG 18" Pistol Grip 10+1 550202 EZ PAY $147, Cimarron 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" Walnut 10 Rounds AS621, Cimarron Uberti 1894 26" .38-55 6+1 CA2903 EZ PAY $117. It brings the 38+p up to mid-range 357 revolver ballistics (~1250). by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. A couple of decades ago, I had a New England, top-break, single-shot rifle chambered in .357 maximum with naught but iron sights. Sounds like Remington/Marlin customer service and repair has gone straight to hell. While I do want one in .357 for ammo sharing with my handguns Id be open to one in .327 Federal as well. being a good functional maximum charge with 180 gr. of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. I specialize in Thompson Center barrels but also rechamber CVA, H&R, and the new Henry single shots in .357 Magnum to .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and a number of other .35 caliber cartridges such as .35 Remington and .358/.356 Winchester. Post The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. Smooth as butter. 16.5" threaded barrel (1/2x28). I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. Looking for 170-190gr bullet loads and a plinking load for a hard cast GC/cheep jacketed bullet. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post It is also more effective when used with a long gun, where it is legal to hunt with rifles. $2.92. We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! I did it some years back when Indiana got new deer hunting regulations. John said that he quietly kept on shooting his Rugers in the controversial caliber. Firearms returned for any reason other than damage or undisclosed conditions will be subject to a 10% restocking fee. Unless they went back later to get it they never seemed to care that much. Long loaded 357 Mag should still be accurate in the 360 and are great for fun shooting. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. Classified Ad (1000+), Search Full Text of Listings I REALLY wish Mossberg would make that hideous SPX Tactical in .357. Pic is 5 shots with 21.0 gr, 3 of the 5 in 3/4" but all 5 is 1.5". Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. And of course the popular, accurate Dan Wesson revolvers came out with a long frame, long cylinder Max. A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. They were hell bent on making me reload. Build a Ruger#1. If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16" .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today's watered-down .357 factory loads. https://www.rincolnia.com/images/Public/38SPL_SUPP.mp4. A . Bingo. This is the same bullet we've used with great sucess in the .35 Rem loads. The Henry Big Boy Classic is as close to the original lever gun as it gets without having to look for .44 rimfire. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. You have my (good natured) envy. As they are harder to find, I switched to PPU 158 JHP with little change for sighting in. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Its cheaper than a lot of other calibers to shoot with minimal felt recoil. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. Zombie apocalypse? No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. I had just enough time to look at a Winchester 92 in .357(did not like the large loop lever) and an italian copy of the 73. My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. Buy 357 Maximum Brass Pistol Cases 95pcs Mixed Brass 357 Max: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 974082394. . The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. The 1892 is a top-ejecting model so scopes or rails are out, but the point of this gun is to be a fast-handling, medium-range rifle. H110. $1,050.00 (Save up to 21%) Price $825.00 H012MAW Henry Arms Henry Mares Leg Lever Rifle 357 Magnum 38 Special 5 RD 12.9" $1,133.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1024.00 H006MML Henry Arms Cimarron 1873 Short Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum $1,498.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1355.00 CA271 After the hunts are over is the best time to send barrels in for customizing! A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. Turned out to be a skunk right underneath my stand. Through the years, the company continued to expand and . A .357 bang stick would certainly be cheaper to keep fed for silhouette shooting vs my Henry in 45 Colt. The .357 Maximum went away. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. I would also point out that IHMSA was a handloader's sport. Low supplies and very high demand. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. It would not feed 38 Specials so I reinstalled the original parts and shoot the Maximums by loading them one at a time. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). The last time I sent a gun off for some work was a chiappa revolver 2 years ago. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:44 pm, Post Great for when wearing gloves. So for me, the perfect single-caliber combo would be .357 Mag wheelgun at the hip holster, and lever gun such as one of those shown in the article above. THROATS SHORTER THAN MINE WILL INCREASE PRESSURES. . CONDIT OUR STOCK NUMBER: 13212 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI.R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 24", OCTAGON FINISH: DARK BRAZILIAN HARDWOO ***HARD TO FIND TACTICAL-LEVER .357*** Citadel Levtac-92 lever-action rifle in .357 Magnum. Nothing slimmer or quicker to get into action. or, H&R BARREL ONLY and $150 check or money order. At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. of AA-1680 give top velocities and energies for shots upwards of 250 yards or more with 180 gr bullets from 24 barrels. You would be hard pressed to find an all around cartridge as good as the .357. What would be the right bullet? The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. They show up now and again and they are a really fine rifle. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. This permits me to throat the MAGnum barrel with a proper minimum diameter cylindrical throat that: Given a long minimum diameter throat, a MAGnum gives better accuracy with standard MAG ammo for those wanting to shoot .357 MAGnum and .38 Special loads while also being able to essentially duplicating .350 Legend factory loadings. Ha. I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. Made in 1983, serial 600-02396 has a 10.5-inch barrel, blade front sight, adjustable rear sight, transfer bar and wood grips. The .357 Maximum can be a potentially great cast bullet cartridge. I never got to shoot either. Funny, but what popped into my head was Arkansas and Alaska arent benighted states. Lever actions are a hoot to shoot. Made in 1988, nickel, no drag marks on cylinder, factory original box and paperwork, like new! Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. new No sales CA - NY - know your state laws! Yeah both pretty awesome. $2.92. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .357 Maximum .357 Maximum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #1 Lyman #1 RCBS #6 Recipe Type: Pistol Bullet Weight: ALL 100 gr 110 gr 125 gr 140 gr 158 gr 165 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr Powder: ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Hodgdon CFE BLK Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon Lil'Gun Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. Great deal on a 357 magnum! We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Choose to either optimize the MAGnum chamber or go all the way to the .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend chamber. I would think the old school lever lovers and the black rifle guys could come together on this. If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:33 pm, Post The Jelly Head Maximum utilizes an extended taper and fluted ports to tighten patterns up to 20 perc OUR STOCK NUMBER:13211 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI..R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 20" CAPACITY: 12+1 FURNITURE: DARK BRAZILIA Uberti 1873 Cattleman II NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550) This pistol is brand new in the box. 1. In the early 1980s, the hottest thing going for competitive handgunners was IHMSA. I would add Chiappa Alaskan in .357 Magnum to the mix. This was a blue-collar sport that could be pursued at relatively modest cost, using handloads in a rock-bottom minimum battery of one powerful revolver. It worked well in T/C barrels with bullets over 158 grains, and as near-max loads are usually compressed, it eliminated propellant position issues. Whats different about the pre-lawyer ones? Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. Also, those hotter loaded ammunitions usually over boast about their velocity. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. Why Marlin didnt make a 336 in .357 I will never understand. In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. Additionally, .357 Magnum lever action rifles can accept optics as most are pre-tapped for scopes and can easily be fit for a tactical rail. including a .40 S&W Barrel (view pictures). . Yeah, that .357 lever gun is so irrelevant you cant find one anywhere. There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Just picked up a Marlin 1894C at my local gun store. Proof-fired it and it stood up. They usually hide it by using a 24" barreled rifle. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. Theyre quick-handling (crazy quick), theyre accurate, and theyve got the power to take down medium-sized game out to 150 yards with the right ammo and careful rangefinding. Spoken like someone who doesnt live in a 2A benighted state or area. Carbine length Winchester Model 1873. Latest: Arima-bob A moment ago Southern California Fishing Reports B What boat less than 30ft can take a 3' @ 6-7 head sea Latest: Bottom Dragger 1 minute ago Boating Discussion Stripping old rods Latest: nefarious235 2 minutes ago Fishing Rod Building Forum Obviously, a longer cartridge had increased powder capacity and greater velocity potential. This rifle has a ton of modern flair that you may be used to seeing on semi-automatic sporting rifles. Take a lever action over an AR every day. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. But stoke it up and hear that little dog bark like a big dog! First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. Since there is very little commercial availability for the .357 Rem. But it didnt came from the Marlin factory that way, and it took a custom lever gunsmith a lot of work and a lot of replacement parts to get it there. by 44shooter Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:34 pm, Post 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 With 125 gr. Per ballistics charts, and generally speaking due to all the variables from different cartridge loads, a .357 Mag out of a carbine rifle barrel approaches the muzzle velocity and energy of a .44 Mag from a handgun. But what if we wanted the right bullet for the occasional hyena, baboon, wallaby or racoon, say a 180-220 grain soft bullet propelled along at about 1200 feet per second? . Two million signatures needed by Nov 17 to qualify for a 2021 Special Election. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. KBCraig, have you tried buying primers recently? So if you want to shoot Max, Mag, and Specials; it is best to get a single shot. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The fact that they are very difficult to find, new or used, is a testament of that they are still relative and in high demand. There'll be no market for it. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. Indeed. Also have a stainless Rossi in .45 Colt. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. They should come from the factory that way. I bought a used Marlin 94c 357 in June, 2020 for $600, in 98% condition. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. Guys that do this are, shall we saypreoccupied with velocity, which is usually the product of light bullets and fast-burning powder.I believe that a failure to appreciate the complexities of this cartridge, the bullets available for it and the proper propellants applicable were a major reason why it passed early. Most of the famous Hatfield-McCoy feud was fought with lever guns. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . The three taped holes were 20.0 gr. So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. I own lots of guns..I just like a lever rifle best for fun and utility. I sold both rather quickly. . Description. If you're gonna be stupid ya gotta be tough-. GunBroker.com Forums. A 180-grain version was added, but it was also a hollowpoint. . MGM's chamber is perfect for the vast majority of hunters and target shooters! Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length  20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. If you want to shoot .357 Magnum and .38 Special ammo, just long throat the factory chamber! Its not as slick as the old 19, but it will do the job. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. Christmas is coming. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. And .45-70 would be awesome, too. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:35 pm, Post Thats a LOL. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. I can probably name a couple dozen powders that will work in the .357. The targets were heavy and had to be hit hard and in the right place. Optimum overall rifle performance is 2300 to 2400 fps with 180 gr. Less than 100 days away now. The .357 Remington Maximum was conceived primarily as an ultra-velocity, flat-trajectory silhouette cartridge. I had the model 19 years ago. 05-25-2020 . No bloody wonder that Remingtons in bankruptcy again. The one i have now has bllard rifling which is accurate with jacketed or lead bullets. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. FILE PHOTO Check out our website and use our Facebook li Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16 inch .357Mag Lever Action. Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. Til inauguration day and beyond, demand will likely increase. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. The 40-70 Sharps straight can be formed from 405 Winchester cases. Those Remlins had some serious issues, and are the least desirable models of all Marlin 94s. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:36 pm, Post I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. The Big Boy Steel Carbine is competing for the top of my wish list I really like the color case hardened version. I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming. Im just trying to figure out why in the hell a Marlin 357 lever gun has to retail at nearly 3 times what the same gun in 30-30 retails for. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles. The trigger is even really nice for a lever gun and I own a bunch of them. It might not be a good reason but thats not what was asked. While many manufacturers produce copper jacketed or semi-jacketed bullets, as well as spire point for better accuracy at longer ranges, you can cast your own bullets to load this caliber. It could even work for breech-seating. In this policy, they created a market for a more powerful revolver. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. We are not currently living in such times, when even steel-cased Russian 9mm is sold off the shelves at ridiculous markups. Best of both worlds. version of the .375 supermag (1.61 in.) If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. bullets and 1800 (+) fps from 10" barrels at the short end of barrel lengths. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: The one that went directly back to gun store was likely 2018 or 2019 but was still new in box. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. 1/ picking up brass at this range is not required, only the reloaders typically pick it up. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. Both were chronographed in the same gun (8" Colt Python). We ballistics types all know sad stories about cartridges that showed great potential but failed shortly after leaving the launch pad. Included with the barrel is a stainless steel MGM scope base and stainless steel Burris Z Rings. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close (r) range, inside about 150 yards. A lever gun would be a really fun toy for me. OM56, cant disagree. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. rounds much more than the .22s. I had owned two previously and traded them off as they were great with jacketed bullets but not lead (microgroove). Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. Guns Rifles Harrington Richardson Rifles HARRINGTON RICHARDSON . Other brands and types of lead core handgun bullets tend to blow up and not penetrate into vital organs when driven at rifle velocities close in. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post It was almost daylight and I kept hearing something move around. Its pleasant to shoot even with .357 mag. His just naturally pointed well, I didnt have to work at all. Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. I have the Winchester 1892 pictured above. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. All Rights Reserved. ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. Gun shows are your salvation. Back in the day. May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. The cartridge made its debut in 1983 in the Ruger New Model Blackhawk single-action revolver. The results are: . I know its not the answer you want, but it gets you to the same place.
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